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Dorner Confirmed Dead

Coroner investigators used dental records to confirm that ex-LAPD officer Christopher Jordan Dorner was killed in the gun battle and ensuing blaze this week at a Big Bear cabin.

The San Bernardino County coroner's office has confirmed that the remains found inside a burned-out cabin in Big Bear were those of fugitive ex-LAPD Officer Christopher Jordan Dorner.

Officials in San Bernardino County said they used dental records to
identify the remains of the 33-year-old fugitive. Officials have not yet announced the cause of death. Dorner's body was pulled from the charred remains of a Big Bear cabin, following a fire and epic gun battle that killed one San Bernadino County Sheriff's Department deputy and critically wounded another.

The dramatic battle capped one of the region's largest manhunts and prompted speculation about whether Dorner was killed in the gunbattle or whether he took his own life after the cabin was set ablaze by flamable gas canisters lobbed by police.

According to police, Dorner, a disgruntled former LAPD officer killed four people in a murderous rampage that spanned three counties and targeted police officers. It began on Feb. 3, when Dorner -- also a former Navy lieutenant -- allegedly gunned down the daughter and future son-in-law of an ex-police captain who represented him at a hearing that resulted in his dismissal from the LAPD. The bodies of 28- year-old Cal State Fullerton assistant women's basketball coach Monica Quan and her fiancé, 27-year-old USC public safety officer Keith Lawrence, were found in Lawrence's car in the parking structure of their Irvine condominium building.

The next day, Dorner, 33, allegedly posted a 6,000-word manifesto on Facebook, vowing to kill named LAPD officers and their families. About 50 Los Angeles police officers and their families were being protected during the manhunt, authorities said.

Last Thursday, Dorner was allegedly involved in a shootout with Los Angeles police guarding an officer's home in Corona, leaving one officer with a graze wound to the head, police said. About 20 minutes later, he allegedly fired on a pair of Riverside police officers stopped at a red light, killing Officer Michael Crain, 34, and wounding the other. The wounded officer was expected to recover.

Crain, an 11-year department veteran, was a former Marine. He is survived by his wife, Regina, and two children, Ian, 10, and Kaitlyn, 4. Crain left "an unforgettable impression" on everyone he met, Riverside police Lt. Guy Toussaint said. His funeral is set for Wednesday.

San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department Detective Jeremiah MacKay
was part of force that trapped Dorner in the Big Bear cabin. He was shot and killed in the  massive gun battle that ensued.

- City News Contributed to this report.

JustUs February 16, 2013 at 06:45 AM
Who are you? Avery's big brother coming to the rescue? The Feds themselves said that Dorner was in Mexico. The cops were already scaling down their operations in Big Bear because they were convinced that Dorner was not up there. So at the time my opinon was perfectly reasonable, logical and rational. And lots of cops picked up LOTS of OT on this little mountain adventure. I would love to see the bill the taxpayers get handed for all the OT and per diem. But that will probably be hidden from us too. Everything else is. Now go report back to Avery.
Dan Avery February 16, 2013 at 06:46 PM
JustUs, As you know in another thread I told you to bring it on. Any topic your choose as long as your make a specific assertion that can be argued and proved, rather than make some generalized statement. You refused. You chickened out. So drop the B.S. and the insults. You wish you could "school" me. You're clearly one of those who thinks whatever he says is true. For instance if you had actually read my piece on Obama when I gave you the url, you'd know that I am a bigger critic of him that you are. You'd also know we don't have a "liberal" government unless you want to use Rush Limbaugh's definition of "liberal." "Schooled" me. Yeah, right. Your behavior is at least consistently cowardly. Tell you what. Change your nickname again. It'll take me a few days to find you. That is why you hide behind a nickname correct? So you can just "reinvent" yourself. So that ultimately you are not responsible for your words. And before you try to argue that, a built-in side-effect of an alais is behing able to hide and not be responsible. It's the nature of an alais. It's why you use them. Come on, dude, bring me a real assertion or let's play Patch hide and seek. Either one would be amusing while I'm waiting for something to render out on my computer.
JustUs February 16, 2013 at 06:59 PM
"So drop the B.S. and the insults." HAH! :^) Talk about the classic 'pot calling the kettle black!' HAH! :^) "And before you try to argue that, a built-in side-effect of an alais is behing able to hide and not be responsible. It's the nature of an alais. It's why you use them." Trust me. Whatever I say on this board to you I would look you square in the eyes and say it to your face. You have consistently been the one who has flamed vitriol and personal attacks on ME. And I have ample proof of it. You chase me around wherever I go on this board and attack me. You are the one who stalks me. I don't stalk you. I could care less what your opinions are until you come after me with your insults and vomit. Once you attack me I refuse to stand there and get battered. I don't do it in real life. And I don't do it on comment boards. Like 90% of all board commenters here, I use an alias because I know that there are psychos in America who sometimes take other's opinions personally and sometimes may even seek the opiner out to do physical harm. Naturally, that sounds crazy to sane people, but it is a fact of life. No one is really anonymous on chat boards. And intelligent people understand that. But these are OPINION BOARDS not IDENTIFICATION BOARDS like they might have had in Nazi Germany , Dan. We have different rules here when it comes to forming and delivering opinions. Enjoy your Saturday. Go out and get some fresh air.
Dan Avery February 16, 2013 at 07:20 PM
So that's your response JustUs? I called your bluff about debating by offering to debate you straight up. And you fling back more B.S. Dude, I don't you. You comment on every damn post. I read two posts a week on Patch usually. It's impossible not to run into you. Lame try to refute the alais assertion of mine. First you don't show us how my common knowledge argument about the nature of an alais is incorrect by demonstrating how an alais isn't used in order to not take responsibility. Then you contradict your own position with "No one is really anonymous on chat boards. And intelligent people understand that." If no one is really anonymous then why the alais? Your realized that which is why you wrote the very next sentence, which, by the way, doesn't follow logically. "But these are OPINION BOARDS" By bringing a new term you just voided your previous two sentences. That is a sign of an untrained mind and of an argument that is out of control. And sure enough you go on to discuss some mythical identification board and Nazi Germany, but why we're not sure. "not IDENTIFICATION BOARDS like they might have had in Nazi Germany , Dan." Then in the most general way possible you state the obvious about the United States "We have different rules here when it comes to forming and delivering opinions." Really, dude? Such as?
Dan Avery February 16, 2013 at 07:22 PM
JustUs, by the way, by ignoring my very specific assertions about Obama and what you define as a "liberal" government, you conceded them. Or don't you understand that about the nature of argumentation?
JustUs February 16, 2013 at 07:39 PM
"If no one is really anonymous then why the alais?" 90% or more of the commenters on this board have an alias, Dan. You seem to be the odd-man out. Did you ever thing that you might be the strange one and not us? I gave you my reason for using JustUs. It is a very valid reason. If you can't accept it I really couldn't care less. Your opinions are insignificant to me. "But these are OPINION BOARDS" By bringing a new term you just voided your previous two sentences." I didn't void anything. What nonsense are you spewing now? I merely said that we come here to voice our opinions guaranteed under the First Amendment and based upon the principles that our society values. We are engaged with our opinions. There is nothing in the US Constitution that says we have to disclose our identities to go along with our opinions. The opinions stand alone. If you don't like that I suggest considering North Korea or one of the 'stan' nations as a homeland. They probably do require people to identify themselves when voicing opinions. In America we don't. Can you grasp that, Dan??? " by the way, by ignoring my very specific assertions about Obama and what you define as a "liberal" government, you conceded them.' You ignore my assertions all the time. More pot calling kettle black. You are a superachiever when it comes to that.
LeAna Bui February 16, 2013 at 08:04 PM
Facts this thread: 7 posters (including me) are using their full names. 4 posters are using their first or last name. 3 posters are using an alias. This does not support Justus's assertion that 90% are using an alias. At the most, you have 50% not using their full names. At the least, less than 30% are using an alias. Of course, this all depends on how you define alias. My two cents!!
Dan Avery February 16, 2013 at 08:42 PM
JustUs, I'm attempting to teach you something about the nature of argumentation, especially about written argumentation, which you clearly have a very limited knowledge of. For instance, saying "We have different rules here when it comes to forming and delivering opinions" is not even close to saying "we come here to voice our opinions guaranteed under the First Amendment and based upon the principles that our society values. We are engaged with our opinions. There is nothing in the US Constitution that says we have to disclose our identities to go along with our opinions. The opinions stand alone." Here is why: the first is overly general and is meaningless to the reader. But when you wrote it you meant the second. However, you didn't actually say the second. You only meant it. That and $3.29 will get you a loaf of bread. Now we can guess or assume that is what you meant, but that isn't our job. Your job is to say exactly what you mean and our job is to analyze it and then tell you what we think. Continued...
Dan Avery February 16, 2013 at 08:46 PM
90% of your writing is the first quote. Yesterday I actually agree with you twice, but that writing was like the second quote. The overly general nature of your statements is why I don't try to disprove your assertions; you usually haven't said anything of substance. Contrary to what you think "opinions" never stand alone because there is always a speaker. And either that speaker has "ethos" or that speaker doesn't. There are three principle appeals one can make in an argument: ethos, pathos, logos. You employed logos in the second quote above. That actually gave you an assertion along with the use of specifics. "You ignore my assertions all the time." is whining. It's too general, "all the time," to be possibly true. You made a specific assertion about "schooling" me on Obama. I refuted it, which you ignored because you couldn't refute it. For one thing I used the strategy that "If you had read my piece on Obama…" knowing you don't have a clue to the url I gave you, but I do know exactly where that exchange took place and had you claimed you read it I would have come back with a quote from you to disprove that. You remember you didn't want to "waste" the time reading it and wanted me to summarize it for you. Therefore, you can't argue my refutation and you lose. "More pot calling kettle black. You are a superachiever when it comes to that." Isn't one of the three appeals either. It's a personal attack and it destroys any ethos you had. Continued...
Dan Avery February 16, 2013 at 08:47 PM
Re-read my comments closely. I focus on your ideas and your strategies, which actually builds ethos for me. That is what Panglonymous was referring to in his comment above. "Can you grasp that, Dan?" is an insult. It destroys ethos and logos. It does invoke pathos in the reader, but certainly not the type you want to win an argument. The same is true of "You seem to be the odd-man out. Did you ever thing that you might be the strange one and not us?" Both are direct personal attacks. All three of them are meant to bully your opponent, and that strategy is only employed when one can't win an argument any other way, or when one is actually a bully. Notice what I actually said there; I didn't mention you at all. I'm talking about the cause and effects of rhetorical strategy. The effect of those sentences on me is that I know you're losing any argument you might have had. You're losing it in a spectacularly ugly fashion. You chose to try to refute a assertion of mine: "If no one is really anonymous then why the alais?" Your response was: "90% or more of the commenters on this board have an alias, Dan." Which one isn't true and two doesn't even come close to addressing my assertion. Then you solidified that line of thought with two direct personal attacks, which I've quoted above and is so obvious to all I needed go over them again. Continued...
Dan Avery February 16, 2013 at 08:47 PM
"I didn't void anything" might have been a good start to a refutation, but you ended with a period after "anything." Which means if you did actually have a point it remained in your head and we didn't hear it. We can only imagine what it was, but once again you lost your point and you followed that up with yet another personal attack. "What nonsense are you spewing now?" You follow that direct personal attack with a rather nicely specific assertion regarding your reading of rights given to us by the Constitution, but that statement in no way shows how you didn't void the two sentence I claim you did. All that assertion clarifies for the reader is what you meant by "We have different rules here when it comes to forming and delivering opinions." And in the original text that sentence didn't flow logically from the text I was referring to. I showed you where the sentence logic breaks down in my response, which was another assertion you completely ignored and, thus, conceded. What I am showing you is how to deconstruct and analyze a comment. Deconstruct your comments. The majority of them employ tactics like these that destroy your ethos. When I told you I taught English for 18 years on the college level, that I received my degree from the best English department in the U.S., and that I was in the top four percent of teachers nationwide I was not bragging. I was setting my ethos to speak on the nature of argumentation.
Dan Avery February 16, 2013 at 08:48 PM
So, yeah, JustUs, you said you always beat me in an argument. Go ahead, dude, make an assertion. Any topic you like. Go right ahead.
JustUs February 16, 2013 at 08:51 PM
This thread is not indicative of the entire Patch poster population. I have no doubt that 90% of posters use an alias. I have no problem with people using their own names. That's their choice and own business. But don't criticize others who choose not to either. I think that is very arrogant and misses the entire point that comment boards are for OPINIONS and not IDENTIFICATION. Try to take time to grasp that point, LeAna. We live in America, dear. Not North Korea.
Dan Avery February 16, 2013 at 08:54 PM
LeAna Bui, :) An alais would be defined as a name used to mask or cloak your real identity. Unless, of course, we use the "dictionary" JustUs appears to be using to define words such as "liberal," "socialist," etc. Then it's anyone's guess what "alais" might mean. I would, under those circumstance, be inclined to think it referred to a rather insipid, hour-long television show, which aired originally at the turn of this century and starred Jennifer Garner.
JustUs February 16, 2013 at 08:56 PM
"I'm attempting to teach you something about the nature of argumentation, especially about written argumentation, which you clearly have a very limited knowledge of." You've taught me nothing on these boards other than characteristics of your own personality (or lack thereof), Dan. So you are not my teacher. To claim you could be is extremely amusing though. Your innane comments do make me laugh at times though. I say that to be honest. hah. :^) You analyze too much, Dan. You play with semantics and avoid the crux of the argument because you probably know that you cannot compete with me in the discussions of the day. That's fine. It's probably better for you to know your place. Keep the hits coming, Dan. Bring on the clowns and more laughs! heh. :^)
Dan Avery February 16, 2013 at 09:02 PM
JustUs, "This thread is not indicative of the entire Patch poster population." While that is a specific assertion it is easily refuted. You made a claim you can't hope to prove. Go ahead and prove it. We'll wait. While we wait for JustUs to return with concrete proof that can be documented, i.e., while he tallies up the numbers of people using alias versus real names in every thread on every Patch...notice he did't say which Patch so he'll have to analyze every thread on any Patch nationwide... "I have no doubt that 90% of posters use an alias." He used this sentence as evidence, but, seriously, what is it evidence of? Only his belief. Yet another example that my assertion that "JustUs has his beliefs rather than facts," was actually a valid claim to make. I have many many more examples of where he tries to employ beliefs as facts, but I won't bore you by proving the obvious.
Dan Avery February 16, 2013 at 09:12 PM
so you don't have the stones to really debate me after you've called me out JustUs? You really want to sling mud with someone you claim "analyzes too much" and "engages in semantics?" You should look that word "semantics" us you mouth-breathing, 80 point IQ waste of human flesh. Argumentation as a retarded fourth grader knows is analysis and semantics. It's impossible to analyze "too much" unless you're dealing with a high school drop out like you are. My dog analyzes when I say "up stairs" and there are two staircases: that would be a high-level thought pattern in your mind. You have no clue how many people read your comments and think "whoa, that is one seriously stupid fool." The problem is they are far more polite than me. so which do you really want to do you moronic lout? name call or debate? I'll mop the floor with you either way you try to run coward, And everyone here knows it after I deconstructed your prose, except for you because you didn't read it all. Read it in the sense that you added up the words and understood what they meant. I knew you wouldn't which is why I wrote it. Cause then I could write this. And I'll warn you, I wrote this fast. The next one I'll take days on and publish it as a blog and I'll promote the hell out of it on social media and you'll become a freakin' joke. That is not a threat.
Dan Avery February 16, 2013 at 09:18 PM
In other words, you dumb son of a two-dollar-street-corner-hustling "mom," I am not stalking you. No I am out to complete humiliate you for the offish, ignorant, bully and the reason this country sucks that you truly are. So either make a serious assertion and debate me, or I'll publically humiliate you in a vicious and funny satirical post. Your choice you air-guzzling puff of flatulence.
xxxxxxxxx February 20, 2013 at 04:01 AM
To include.... "I only go after people who attack me first. If I am not attacked and just debated - I will simply debate the subject matter and not target the person." JustUs, Your debates on all subject matters, almost always start with blaming the subject at hand, looking to start arguments with others. Why not start with something positive to say, then support all your negative comments with facts and not only your biased opinions.
xxxxxxxxx February 20, 2013 at 04:23 AM
Wow, JustUs. Seeing that LeAna's last name is Bui, you comment, "We live in America, dear. Not North Korea." is inappropriate and offensive. Leave your racist stereotype comments to yourself!
Dan Avery February 20, 2013 at 04:31 AM
XXXXXXXXX, To quote some of my students "in order to do what you're suggesting we would have to think, and that is very hard."
Dan Avery February 20, 2013 at 04:33 AM
xxxxxxxxx, Nice one. walt until he starts talking about the hordes who are coming from the south of us.
JustUs February 20, 2013 at 04:34 AM
"Wow, JustUs. Seeing that LeAna's last name is Bui, you comment, "We live in America, dear. Not North Korea." is inappropriate and offensive. Leave your racist stereotype comments to yourself!" You're a complete buffoon race baiter. hah. I use the example of North Korea as one of the most totalitarian nations on earth in my posts all the time to everyone regardless of their name, race, creed, religion, gender or sexual orientation. For you to play that card is so very low and puerile, xxxxxxxxx. You are the same one on the accident blog who deleted your comment that denigrated me for my use of the word "unalienable" without apology after I proved that "unalienable" is an actual word. So shame on you. What a clown you are. Now you've become a race baiter. What will will you stoop to next? You can't go much lower. hah. :^)
JustUs February 20, 2013 at 04:40 AM
Uuugghhh....just dripping with self-indulgence. Not even worth a response. Please, don't follow me around the boards anymore and pester me. You seem obsessed with me for some reason. Please don't make me a target of your obsession. Thanks in advance.
xxxxxxxxx February 20, 2013 at 04:42 AM
Dan, "To quote some of my students "in order to do what you're suggesting we would have to think, and that is very hard." True, but sad at the same time. I guess asking people to use common sense when commenting would be hard for some, as well. ;)
Dan Avery February 20, 2013 at 05:05 AM
Hey you're the one who said I was afraid to debate you. I'll put this on every thread you comment on. I've offered five times now to debate you on any subject you choose. You are the one who runs. Coward. But then you must know your limitations eh? Any subject. Come one, dude. You shot off your mouth first. What the hell are you afraid of? Looking stupid? You already do.
Dan Avery February 20, 2013 at 05:07 AM
xxxxxxxxx, yep because asking them to use common sense would mean they would have to think and that is very hard.
Dan Avery February 20, 2013 at 05:09 AM
love that. xxxxxxxxx is a complete buffoon and race-baiter because he noticed how inappropriate your North Korea reference was. You can try to explain your racism away, but it's just sad and pathetic. We all know you're a racist JustUs. Why don't you just put your robe and hood back on?
Dan Avery February 20, 2013 at 05:09 AM
Hey JustUs, make yourself at home and burn a cross on the lawn okay?
xxxxxxxxx February 20, 2013 at 05:38 AM
JustUs, "You're a complete buffoon race baiter. hah." Again, you offer no specifics nor facts about me, to support your infantile name calling. Seeing that my comment made you respond defensively by terming me a, "race-baiter", sounds as if you watch way too much Bill O'Reilly. You look way too much into someone's comments instead of reflecting on what and why something was said. I guess asking you to use common sense, before having diarrhea of the mouth, would be like putting lipstick on a pig or putting stockings on a mule. "I use the example of North Korea as one of the most totalitarian nations on earth in my posts all the time to everyone regardless of their name, race, creed, religion, gender or sexual orientation." Start searching for a new example. What's so great about North Korea, that you feel the need to use it in any example for any reason. Unless you are a proud communist. Only a communist feels the need to belittle others for having theier own point of views or opinions on any/all subject matter(s). (and that's a fact...JackAss!)

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