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Police Critics Rally Around Dorner

From Facebook pages to Saturday's demonstration, the polarizing figure of Chris Dorner has emerged as a battle cry for police critics.

Thirteen demonstrators, calling themselves "We Stand With Christopher Dorner," gathered in front of Los Angeles Police Department's headquarters in Los Angeles Saturday to decry the death of the fired L.A. policeman as he faced arrest.

The small number of protesters was expected to grow throughout the day, organizers said.

"We're protesting some of the police brutality -- not just LAPD, but all over the nation," said Lomita resident Vincent Namm, a former Marine. "With Chris Dorner, habeas corpus just got thrown out the window."

"I'm a veteran myself," he told City News Service. "It's like they (the police) were judge, jury and executioner. Of course, if the police are those three things, we have something called a police state.

"They didn't seem like they were even interested in apprehending him," Hamm said.

Radio communications between San Bernardino County sheriff's deputies captured deputies calling on colleagues to burn down the cabin near Angelus Oaks, where the suspected cop-killer had just shot two deputies and was holed up.

Dorner had already killed two policemen and the daughter of a retired officer, and was shooting at the deputies when the radio messages were broadcast.

San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon insisted Friday that deputies did not intentionally set fire to the cabin to get Dorner out of the cabin. McMahon said the comments were not made by command personnel and were unauthorized, off-hand remarks by deputies or officers who were under heavy gunfire.

Saturday's demonstrators began to gather a little before 10 a.m. near the corner of First and Main streets before making their way to 100 W. First St., where they were met by yellow police tape bordering LAPD headquarters. There were at least three officers at different positions in front of the building, along with three parked television vans.

Some people on social media and elsewhere have expressed support for some of the criticisms of the department Dorner expressed in a lengthy manifesto posed online amid his 10-day killing spree. Facebook pages such as ‘We Are All Chris Dorner’ popped up during the former cop’s killing spree, featuring a photo from the last Los Angeles riots and earning nearly 5,000 likes. Other Facebook pages such as ‘Chris Dorner and the Revolution’ also popped up in support of the former LAPD officer suspected of four murders.

"The police don't do the right things -- especially when it comes to Latinos and blacks," said Antonia Ramos, one of the protesters. "It wasn't fair how this guy (Dorner) died."

TELL US WHAT YOU THINK IN THE COMMENTS

What do you think of Dorner's status as a revolutionary figure for police critics?

- City News Service

JustUs February 17, 2013 at 11:38 pm
"How easy it is to sit behind a computer and criticize what the San Bernardino Sheriffs did."
That's what people do in a free society, Averagejoe. Question authority. When people have the power to kill people they need lots and lots of scrutiny. And if they screw up they need to be held accountable. The cops that shot that 71 year old female asian newspaper deliverer need to get fired. And it shouldn't take 6 months to do it. All involved should be on their way out right now. They are like Dorner's with a badge. But naturally the cops will make excuses for them. Unlike they made excuses for Dorner when he was fire. See how it works yet??? "Just remember that law enforcement are the only ones between the criminals and us." The problem is some cops are criminals and are never held accountable. I could give you dozens of examples. There is a DOUBLE standard and cops are held to a LOWER standard. And that is the truth. And everyone know that's the CODE OF SILENCE is alive and well in police work. But people like you don't complain about that, do you? The CODE OF SILENCE allows bad cops to keep their jobs and continue to violate the laws with immunity. Why don't you whine about that while you complain about Dorner? Huh???
JustUs February 17, 2013 at 11:43 pm
"Arianna Williams(Dorner's girlfriend), 33, spoke out about the shooter accused of killing four, saying she isn't surprised that he reached his tipping point and eventually snapped."
Yes, basically Williams said that Dorner lived by a higher moral code than most officers and so was out of place and out of his element. When those around you cover for one another and you refuse to play that game, the stress must be enormous. It finally drove him crazy, especially when he was fired for snitching off another cop. Dorner has a stellar background. Naval officer, Top Secret clearance, passed all the LAPD tests, to include background investigations, psych evals and polygraphs. So Dorner was fine when LAPD hired him. The problems started after that. Let's be adults here and face the truth.
JustUs February 17, 2013 at 11:49 pm
"I am sickened by the support of a murderer."
I don't see anyone on these boards supporting a murderer, Averagejoe. Who specifically are you referring to? Please copy and paste the comment that supports a murderer. I think you are exaggerating. I don't support a murderer. But I don't support the ones that drove a man nuts and turned him into a murderer either. But that's the part of the puzzle you don't want to look at. You are very short sighted. Are you a cop or a relative of a cop? Just curious? "Because you are wrongfully fired, doesn't give you the right to take an innocent life." Oh, I totally agree. But when a man basically has his identity stolen from him for snitching off another cop - some men have lower tolerance levels than others. This does not excuse the action. But life is life. The ones who robbed him have blood on their hands too. Why not talk about them? Oh, I forget. You are cop apologist. I forgot.
fact checker February 18, 2013 at 12:22 am
And what exactly is your answer to this perceived vast conspiracy? Most of know very decent people who are in law enforcement who would never condone the behavior that you allege is system wide.
shelly February 18, 2013 at 12:53 am
I think people are innocent until proven guilty. But it seems from Justus' posts that Justus somehow already "tried" the police department and found them guilty.
Something the police department did made Dorner snap but do any of us know for sure if what they did was illegal or keeping the code of silence? Regardless, innocent people did not deserve to die and the police department is not to blame for a man choosing to take his guns and kill others. He chose to do this on his own. All we really know for sure is that Dorner was angry, he made accusations, he wanted revenge and he killed innocent people. We may find out if Dorner was rightfully fired or not but regardless Dorner chose on his own to kill people. People are wronged all the time but they do not go on a killing rampage.
JustUs February 18, 2013 at 01:02 am
Simple.
Hold cops accountable just like you would any criminal. It's not that complicated.
JustUs February 18, 2013 at 01:05 am
"Most of know very decent people who are in law enforcement who would never condone the behavior that you allege is system wide."
The $6M question is: Would the ones you know in LE snitch off another dirty cop? Be honest. I say 95% would not. That is why we rarely hear of cops being prosecuted. It's not because they are so clean. It's because cops cover up for one another. Any honest LEO would tell you the same. The problem is trying to find an honest one.
JustUs February 18, 2013 at 01:11 am
Shelly, the problem with most board posters is that they have very little common sense and apparently very little life experience and trust whatever authority tells them like it's gospel. I feel sorry for such people. So so naive.
I have already told you why none of this makes any sense. I am not going to repeat it again. Think as you will. We will NEVER find out of Dorner was illegally fired because it will all get whitewashed by LAPD. You really think LAPD's internal investigation on Dorner's termination will be above board??? heh. Refer back to my comment on common sense, naivete and lack of life experience. Have a good one, Shelly.
fact checker February 18, 2013 at 01:39 am
A very convenient way of looking at things JustUs. No way you can ever be proven wrong by your own somewhat flawed logic. You have the only correct answer for everything it seems. Meanwhile the rest of us will judge, or not, based on what we know or don't know.
fact checker February 18, 2013 at 01:49 am
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/blood-496097-drive-vincent.html
More evidence on the morality of law enforcement.
JustUs February 18, 2013 at 01:54 am
"A very convenient way of looking at things JustUs."
Yes, at times truth can be convenient. It's takes much more energy to deny it than to embrace it. "You have the only correct answer for everything it seems. Meanwhile the rest of us will judge, or not, based on what we know or don't know." I certainly don't know 'everything'. Far from it. But I use deep logic and rational thinking to arrive at my conclusions. I use truth as my ballast. I do everything that I can to resist allowing political ideology or prejudices to form my viewpoints. I noticed that you failed to answer my question above: "Would the ones you know in LE snitch off another dirty cop? Be honest." Quite telling. Have a nice evening, factchecker.
jim capistrano February 18, 2013 at 02:03 am
The OC Register is the print version of Fox "News"...
jim capistrano February 18, 2013 at 02:09 am
That's not a compliment...except in the OC...
Dan Avery February 18, 2013 at 02:09 am
Wow, Justus, it's not just me who thinks your logic is non-existant. It's everyone on the thread. Of course, we're all wrong and you're the only one who knows the score. LOL
JustUs February 18, 2013 at 02:11 am
David Whiting is commonly known as a cop 'bootlicker'.
I've never read the writings of a more morally weak man when it comes to cheerleading such a corrupted profession. If I were his dad I would be thoroughly ashamed.
JustUs February 18, 2013 at 02:16 am
You do not have a corner on the market when it comes to flawed thinking, Dan. So don't consider yourself unique. But your assertions are generally very easy to shoot down. You are not much of a challenge. Some others take a little more work.
Okay, now stalk me like a little barfly and tell me how bad I am! heh. :^)
fact checker February 18, 2013 at 03:59 am
Are you saying that there was not a blood drive? Isn't it a fact that there was? Who cares who reports the facts?
fact checker February 18, 2013 at 04:01 am
I noticed that you failed to answer my question as to whether you care to offer any solutions? Or is judgement your only specialty?
The people I know in law enforcement would do the honorable and honest thing.
Earick Ward February 18, 2013 at 11:56 am
People (not JustUs),
There are hundreds/thousands of JustUs'. They is due. Social Justice, their Fair Share. You didn't build that. Society, the Man, Capitalism have intentionally oppressed the aggrieved. Setting aside that others from similar circumstances have achieved great things. If you don't have the things your neighbor has, you've been oppressed. Any action (in JustUs' pea brain) is justified.
Lil Marty February 18, 2013 at 01:17 pm
Just us....... In case you didn't know, there is an NBA team called the "Lakers"!
Joker Joe February 18, 2013 at 01:24 pm
Earick Ward
If you were Dorner, would you say it was o.k. to fry you in the cabin before a trial?
Joker Joe February 18, 2013 at 01:25 pm
I would like to hunt you down just for sport little marty.
Joker Joe February 18, 2013 at 01:33 pm
Averagejoe
You have a great moniker. It shows. Do to the fact the sheriffs were OUT NUMBERED. Were running out of AMMUNITION. Had little FOOD. No aerial surveillance. Annnddd the victim was not totally surrounded they should of burned the cabin with the same type of grenades they used in Waco, Texas. Kill them all. Let God sort them out. Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord.
Joker Joe February 18, 2013 at 01:45 pm
shelly
"I think people are innocent until proven guilty". Funny. You already made Dorner guilty!!! Your very selective....... lol lol
Joker Joe February 18, 2013 at 01:52 pm
JustUs
Ohh to educate the uneducated is a chore. Most people are not stupid. They just have bad luck thinking!!!!
Scout O'Hara February 18, 2013 at 06:17 pm
I think you have a misguided sense of what the word "execution" means...so let me clear it up for you: Dorner executed a couple in Irvine. Shooting himself in the head was suicide. Just do us all a favor and promise to never need a police officer to save your sorry butt and refuse to ever use 911 if you want to take a stand.
Anthony Carrieri February 18, 2013 at 06:17 pm
For anyone that believes Dorner just decided after a perfect career to flip out and kill for fun is just not interested in the truth. They can only see what is being fed to them. They have no desire to hold anyone accountable for what happened before. There is no excuse for what Dorner did. He lost it and unfortunately that happens to people when they are put in a position where their is no way to go back to the life they had.
We trained him to be a killer, remember he was a soldier thats what they do is kill. So we are shocked that he would kill after being wronged. Hmmm interesting Oh that's right he should be able to do the right thing. Yes a trained killer with a conscience. The LAPD has been dirty for decades and it goes all the way up to top level. Dorner had no chance of getting his life back ...
JustUs February 18, 2013 at 06:33 pm
"The LAPD has been dirty for decades and it goes all the way up to top level. Dorner had no chance of getting his life back ..."
Spoken like a true follower of God. Not a plastic one. Humans selectively practice their moral code. It's like a light switch. They turn in on and off at will. When the home team violates the moral code it automatically gets swtiched off. When the opposing team commits a 'foul' the switch automatically gets turned on and the bright shining lights flood the sky. That's the common modus operandi of the common human being. Don't expect too much from them. You'll only live with disappointment. Take good care.
Averagejoe February 19, 2013 at 02:06 pm
Dorner is the murderer. When a group says, " We stand with Dorner" they are in fact supporting his actions. We live in a society that continually shifts the blame to someone or something else. No one is responsible for Dorner's actions except Dorner.
JustUs February 19, 2013 at 02:42 pm
"We live in a society that continually shifts the blame to someone or something else."
You mean like the cops always do, Averagejoe? You mean like the cops did with unarmed decorated black Marine Sergeant Manuel Loggins when they executed him from his backside right in front of his 2 minor daughters as they sat only feet behind him in their family car, and then afterwards blamed Sgt. Loggins for their actions? Is that what you meant by 'shifts the blame'? Please respond, sir.

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angienmaddie June 16, 2013 at 07:22 am
Are you kidding? Every heard of Freedom of speech? There should be more like him. This country isRead More going to hell in a handbag quite fast. We are ruining this country for our children and leaving the biggest mess ever... Kudos to Snowden..... You gave up everything to be honest and tell it like it is!!!