Like a Good Neighbor, Seal Beach Is There...


With friends like Seal Beach, who needs enemies?  Our family has lived in Rossmoor for 30+ years.  We have felt comfortable living among our Rossmoor neighbors sharing the political view that the least amount of government is best.  Residents of Rossmoor have never asked much from the County except to leave us alone.  Unfortunately, the City of Seal Beach is like that neighbor who throws loud parties, parks their cars in front of your house leaving beer bottles and candy wrappers on your lawn.  When confronting this obnoxious neighbor, their response is always “it’s my property and I can do whatever I want with my property. In addition, you don’t own the parking spot in front of your house, so I can park my trailer and boat there any time I want too." 

In the past year, the City of Seal Beach, in order to increase their sales tax revenue, has allowed retail establishments to be built across the street from the Rossmoor Community.  Rossmoor Residents have financially supported the retail establishments with our assets in assisting Seal Beach’s revenue.  Residents in Rossmoor have put up with parked cars in residential areas and trash such as soda and beer bottles from the residents who live in the condominiums in Seal Beach.  The Seal Beach condo owners prefer to park on the streets of Rossmoor as opposed to their own garages for easy departure. 

The traffic of commuters leaving for work, going to lunch and then returning to work on St. Cloud and Montecito has caused traffic jams, accidents and poses a danger to pedestrian school children.  Now the City of Seal Beach is proposing to add additional condominiums [affordable/low-income] into the Shops of Rossmoor adjacent to St. Cloud and Montecito.  Like that obnoxious neighbor, Seal Beach merely thumbs their nose at Rossmoor and says “it’s our property, we can do whatever we want.”  

Apparently, Seal Beach feels that the only available property they have to build on is at the Shops of Rossmoor.  You don’t hear the City of Seal Beach saying they want to build affordable housing in Old Town Seal Beach.  Although there is adequate property such as the vacant Boeing property, Seal Beach wants the affordable housing as far away from their city hall as possible.  

Rossmoor & Los Alamitos Residents we would like to hear from you as to what suggestion you may have to halting our bad neighbor’s actions. 

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Edgar January 03, 2012 at 03:34 PM
Wow, what a breath of fresh air, Compton by the Sea (Seal Beach) is loaded with bitching, whining, discontented, maladjusted, self-centered, misfits that have some vision of grandeur for their little scruffy beach town. I notice they Bitched, Cried and threw a tantrum about the city of Long Beach wanting to redevelop the area in the marina , they didn’t think about all the jobs that is would bring into a sagging economy , their minuscule vision is beyond the norm. And like you say they have let the developers overwhelm the area around Rossmoor, Los Al, but are the first to cry out “NOT IN MY BACKYARD’ NIMB……. The best thing to do with these people is ignore them and put it up to a vote so the mainstream rules not the “bitching minority” I feel sorry for the few normal people that have to live amongst the above mentioned sorrowful people. Thanks for your well put letter...................................
Emily Knell January 03, 2012 at 05:02 PM
The Shops at Rossmoor & all the land including the parking lot behind Stats & North of Home Goods is not land owned by the City of Seal Beach. It has a private owner, who does not want low income housing on their property. The private owner is in negotiations with a new buyer, it must be disclosed to a new buyer that the City of Seal Beach has identified the Shops At Rossmoor as a viable spot to put a low income housing project, but the new owner would still have approve that. If the new owner doesn't want low income housing on their private (not city owned) property, the City of Seal Beach would have to take it only by Eminent Domain (by force). There are 16 other possible sites the City of Seal Beach identified in which to place low income housing if they ever HAVE to do that. Right now, they don't HAVE to build low income housing anywhere, per the state & county they just needed to identify potential sites. Boeing parking lot in my opinion would be an excellent spot. Along Westminster people living in these units will have good access to bus lines & grocery stores nearby. I think if/when there is a new owner of the Shops at Rossmoor & enough Rossmoorians put up a fight to ensure that the new owner knows the positions of the area homeowners, myself included, we'll find out if they want to have low income housing on their property or not. If they do & I don't know why they would, we let them know we Do Not want low income housing in our backyard!
Emily Knell January 03, 2012 at 05:10 PM
Regarding traffic: There's not much we can do now with the 2 turn lanes that are already built & striped entering Rossmoor from St. Cloud. Every Rossmoorian should have received or will receive in their mailboxes this week the annual RHA Membership drive materials. In that package this year is a letter from the Traffic Committee on, none other than addressing the Traffic issues. I hope everyone takes the time to sit down & read it. At this point, it is my firm opinion that the only possible thing left to change is the light at Town Center Dr. for cars exiting westbound from the Target Center & cars exiting eastbound from the Shops at Rossmoor at the driveway from the Kohl's store. Right now it's just STUPID to have both sides getting a green light, not enough cars are able to exit both sides of the shopping centers fast enough & when Toys R' Us, In n Out, possibly Staples & 2 other stores go in where Stats is, we NEED a change here. I propose simply, ONE green light to be on for cars leaving the Target Center while the other side stays RED. Then a Green light for cars leaving the Kohl's / Shops At Rossmoor side while the Target Center side stays Red. It's really a simple adjustment, it would be just the same as how the traffic light operates at the St. Cloud intersection for those leaving Rossmoor & those exiting the CVS. Easy Peezee -- Get it Done!
Sachi M January 03, 2012 at 05:59 PM
Seal Beach freaks are really losers. First they STEAL the land where the Rossmoor Shops are....then they build the shops across the street increasing traffic, and now the residents are leaving trash and carts all over ROSSMOOR. Then they have the nerve to say they don't want anything to do with Rossmoor as regards to making it part of Seal Beach. Well WE don't want anything to do with them either. Now they want to build low income housing in our neighborhood.....as far away from old town Main Street as possible...I mean REALLY???? And more shops in the center too. It's all about GREED. I think someone should investigate the city officials. Remember the city of Bell!!!
Cathy January 03, 2012 at 07:12 PM
HAPPY NEW YEAR! Hold on while I Get popcorn! Hmmm.. What to watch, the political debates or the "Hatfields & McCoy's". I will never say where I live....I have gone underground for fear of my own safety!
Cathy January 03, 2012 at 08:52 PM
Ps...thanks Emily for all the kind unmud slapping information. You definatly have been schooled in a proper behaving enviorment! It was a pleasure reading your response!
Henrietta Carter January 03, 2012 at 10:01 PM
This is so obviously necessary that I can't understand why it wasn't done from the start: "I propose simply, ONE green light to be on for cars leaving the Target Center while the other side stays RED. Then a Green light for cars leaving the Kohl's / Shops At Rossmoor side while the Target Center side stays Red." Thanks for speaking up Carol! I wonder if the people who design faulty traffic patterns like the one discussed here ever test them by driving them themselves.
Edgar January 04, 2012 at 12:40 AM
Hey this is America, we have the right for free speech, good, bad or indifferent, I am so sick of the minorities telling me what to do, it is time to get off our duffs and start voting and sounding off, don't for one minute go underground, that is just what they want you to do...don't let it happen......vent your feelings....it's the American way.........
David & Rebecca Lara January 04, 2012 at 12:44 AM
A major concern for the residents of both Rossmoor & Los Alamitos is being able to obtain emergency services when needed. Due to the major traffic now present in the St. Cloud, Seal Beach & Los Alamitos Blvd. along with Lampson, we have seen on many occassion fire engines, law enforcement cars, ambulances having to travel on the wrong side of the road because traffic is so impacted. This effects everyone and to allow this to go any further some motorist is either going to get injured or die from a collision.
Cathy January 04, 2012 at 01:05 AM
Yes..it is America..free speech and i agree on alot of points..so it is my right as you say to discuss things and behave like an adult. i choose to watch my words..i choose not to slander and call names to get valid points discussed. we all have choices and we all have rights to voice...it is my choice to voice in a manner in which i choose. thank you!
Seth Eaker January 04, 2012 at 11:25 PM
It is interesting to note the tone and quality of the opinion piece above. I do not know if the authors attended any of the public hearing or Housing Element meetings at City Hall, but I know there has been a great deal of discussion about how Rossmoor is "treated" by Seal Beach. Evidently, there is a lot of misinformation out there. I would not suggest that the authors are wrong, merely that there may be more information out there. I know that the Local Coastal Plan committee has been meeting to try to work through a great many things - the Housing Element being one of them. Perhaps more participation by Rossmoor in sharing their concerns or views with the City Staff, City Council and the various citizen's groups. I hope that people realize that it is incumbent upon them to participate in government to make it the best it can be. I would hope a collaborative process would yield greater results than sharp decisive words, but then again, that may just be my view. Happy New Year!
Nat Ferguson January 07, 2012 at 01:31 AM
Seth thank you for the words of wisdom. As for Mr. Edgar, he made his true colors known while commenting on the Salon Meritage aftermath. What a classy citizen.
David & Rebecca Lara January 07, 2012 at 04:14 PM
Dear Seth & Nat, Please be advised that we are responding to Councilman Gary Miller's request as stated in his memo to Rossmoor. Further, Seal Beach has not conducted an envrionmental impact report to study how the additional housing will affect the communities of Rossmoor or Los Alamitos. The councilman he is seeking help on getting proper review of a planned action to put 33 units of affordable housing. Seal Beach Mayor Levitt attended our community meeting. Our tone is relative to the concern of the heightened crime that is now occurring in Rossmoor from the Orange County Sheriffs. Rossmoor has created an Ad Hoc Committee to address this issue. We have contacted Mayor Pro Tem Troy of Los Alamitos of the additional housing and traffic. Rossmoor representatives Michael Maynard and Ron Casey of the RCSD will be meeting with the owners of the Shops of Rossmoor voicing their concerns. RPMT personally met with Michael Maynard to voice our 1100 team member's concerns. We hope this comment has addressed your opinion and the comments contained within, with specific actions taken by RPMT. Happy New Year to you as well. [If you wish to view Councilman Miller's email to Rossmoor, please send us your email address.] Now is you chance to speak out on this very important issue. Let SACRAMENTO with a cc to Seal Beach hear your voice and concerns! Imagine the traffic if this passes!!!
tinytom January 07, 2012 at 04:49 PM
I've always had good feelings about Seal Beach. But now with thier intention of dumping thier requirements of affordable housing in the Rossmoor area and the increased traffic that will come for just average retail, at best, being planned for the area, this is a bummer. Heck, I thought Rossmoor was more upscale than what is being planned.
David & Rebecca Lara January 07, 2012 at 05:19 PM
Hi Tom, We have asked the Shops of Rossmoor for security cameras after a male had a gun pulled on him on the side of Farmers & Merchants Bank. Recently, a mother was placing her two kids in their car seats when a male came up behind her and pulled a gun on her demanding her wedding ring and purse. The property manager at the time (Jim) told us "you want us to put in security cameras just because one female was robbed???!!!). At Target there are security cameras and we have heard from the Seal Beach P.D. that crime has dropped dramatically. Now with new ownership, we will be meeting once again to request the same.
Darlene January 07, 2012 at 05:23 PM
Cathy... this may seem random... but I found these postings because I'm looking for an old friend of mine, Bryan McGann... by any chance are you his Mom? Sorry if I'm weirdin you out, been searching for some time now, wondering how he is. Thanks, Darlene
Seth Eaker January 07, 2012 at 05:27 PM
Thank you for the follow up. It is helpful to know that there has been some engagement on this issue. I guess it is my general feeling that really hostile, invective speech is generally not productive. I find in interesting that Councilman Miller is so concerned about these issues. Isn't Councilman Sloan actually representative for the area in question near the Shops at Rossmoor? Where is he in all of this discussion? Glad to hear that Mayor Levitt has been responsive as well. Again, thank you for clarifying some of the discussion which has happened. I am glad to know it.
tinytom January 07, 2012 at 05:46 PM
The idea of cameras everywhere to me means a loss of freedom. I know people who avoid the intersection of Katella and Los Alamitos because of the cameras. To me this is a measure of failure in our culture and big brother control.
David & Rebecca Lara January 07, 2012 at 05:51 PM
Dear Seth, My words are derived from hearing the victim of the woman who had a gun drawn on her while she was putting her two toddlers into their car seats and the remarks from the property manager. Also, from seeing the fire engines and ambulances travel on the wrong side of Seal Beach Blvd. because they can't get through the traffic. In my business or legal writings my writing style is directed accordingly. Please keep in mind this is a "BLOG", Thanks!
David & Rebecca Lara January 07, 2012 at 05:57 PM
I am willing to have my actions watched if it is able to apprehend the criminals who beat up the elderly couple when they were leaving the Bank of America, the two robberies that occurred at the Shops of Rossmoor, the smash and grap at the ARCO Station. England has cameras and crime has dropped dramatically. It's depressing that because a husband tried to intervene when his wife was being robbed he sustained injuries resulting in his hospitalization.
tinytom January 07, 2012 at 06:03 PM
England? In England they're not citizens but subjects. Where do you think the idea of big brother came from. How we've changed.
Emily Knell January 07, 2012 at 06:56 PM
In a documentary that was made not long after 'the' 9/11, they were interviewing a farmer's market type vendor in England, who had an accent like in the famous musical "Oliver", and she was stating "I don't mind giving up my liberties for freedom". I can't begin to tell you how much that statement makes no sense at all. That statement is just about as ridiculous as stating "I like the snow as long as it's not cold." I do think that private owners of commercial property have a duty to protect the citizens that use their properties for shopping. Like Target, who, after installing their cameras on the rooftop decreased crime in & around their store, as Rebecca has stated. The cost of cameras being placed on the rooftops of Sprouts, Marshalls, Kohl's & the other stores should be a cost that is shared with the property owner & the tenants. That cost would just be like having another water bill. So, the next time some jerko wants to hold up a female shopper or an older man at gunpoint, he may see those cameras up there & think twice before committing that type of heinous crime.
tinytom January 07, 2012 at 08:02 PM
Ok Emily & Rebecca, you're right, we have to deal with the reality we're in. And I sidetracked the main issue here. Thanks.
Edgar January 07, 2012 at 09:03 PM
Once upon a time there was a young mother in Oklahoma, she called 911 and said there was some guy trying to get into her house , she was alone with her baby and had two guns in her hands, the 911 dispatcher was asked "Can I shoot the person when he breaks into my house ?" the dispatcher said I can't tell you what to do, but you do what is needed to protect you and the baby" well we know she did what she had to and the bad guy is in the morgue......not her.......this is justice , maybe the honest citizen who has no criminal record should be able to pack a gun for cases like this, the criminals all have guns to shoot the law abiding citizen don't they.... Now lets hear the all the minority anti gun freaks go ballistic on this comment. Again the minority has taken over this country, and we the majority sit in front of the steam roller coming down the hill and let it run over us…..get up and assert your rights no matter what, are our GI’s dying for in other countries….for the liberty we take for granted here , yet we just whine and cry like little babies….get a grip people…..
Henrietta Carter January 07, 2012 at 10:00 PM
Fortunately or unfortunately as the case may be, there is a certain trade off between complete anonymity when moving about in public and maintenance of public safety and security. We have to ask ourselves which curtails our freedom more, being in fear of felons pointing guns at us in a parking lot, or being uncomfortable with cameras pointing at us and storing our images somewhere? Neither is a pleasant prospect. The news reports that violent crime has been decreasing across the nation, but it's hard for us in Rossmoor and vicinity to appreciate those statistics when increasing commerce, population and traffic are bringing with it increasing crime.
CDC January 13, 2012 at 02:39 AM
You forgot that they also stole the Arbor Park and it's land. It is still inside Los Alamitos city borders. By the way, the city charges for anybody including people from Los Alamitos to use their own park!
CDC January 13, 2012 at 02:49 AM
Wake up dude! We are subjects of corporations in this country. In this case, AEW Capital Management LP.
tinytom January 13, 2012 at 03:33 AM
I would think a more fair deal would be for Seal Beach to pay for some public friendly space in the place of a Toys r Us considering they get all the tax money while Rossmoor/Los Alamitos get the more negative living conditions.


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