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Chick-fil-A Winging It to Seal Beach

Following a recent Planning Commission decision to allow two drive-thru lanes, the fast-food giant is one step closer to construction in the Shops at Rossmoor.

The chickens are coming! The chickens are coming!

A new Chick-fil-A took another flap forward recently after officials gave the fast-food giant a permit to build two drive-thru lanes at its proposed 4,529-square-foot restaurant in Seal Beach.

The Planning Commission decision serves as official confirmation that the biz will come to roost at 12101 Seal Beach Blvd., filling an empty nest at the Shops at Rossmoor that had been vacant since 2006, according to city staff.

Seal Beach requires any business proposing a drive-thru lane to go through the city’s permitting process, which Chick-fil-A did Jan. 16. 

According to city staff, the restaurant will have 114 seats, no outdoor dining, automatic volume control on the drive-through speaker boxes and about 15 employees working any given shift.

The interior floor plan is designed with a 1,470-square-foot dining area and a 200-square-foot children's play area.

Operating hours are proposed for 6 a.m. to 10 p.m. Monday through Thursday, 6 a.m. to 11 p.m. Fridays and Saturdays, and closed on Sundays.

Located on the north end of the property, the business would also have shared parking with the shopping center.

Famous for its Southern-style chicken sandwiches and its bovine mascots, the company recently found itself in mired in America’s debate over gay marriage after its president said he supported "the Biblical definition of the family unit.

Gay marriage advocates strongly criticized the chain, holding kiss-ins, protests and business boycotts while traditional marriage advocates flocked to Chick-fil-A restaurants to show support for the company and its leaders.

In previous interviews, city staff said the Planning Commission only examines application on design merits, not the political or social beliefs of the business owners.

Destiny Reyes Allstun February 12, 2013 at 04:00 PM
Yuck!
Dale February 12, 2013 at 05:12 PM
Great, Excellant food, very glad they are finnaly here
enea ostrich February 12, 2013 at 06:22 PM
Whoopee, I never ate there but my daughter swears by it..oh well, she and her friende will be overjoyed I guess.
enea ostrich February 12, 2013 at 06:27 PM
Btw, which store was that before...what side of center??
CDC February 12, 2013 at 08:54 PM
I'm guessing by Russ Conkle service station. There are only two vacant lots left in the Shops at Rossmoor. One in front of Toys R Us and the one by Russ Conkle's. That used to be the old Liquor Store, Carpet Store, and Davio's Restaurant. That means this area which currently has the only clear driveways to enter the shopping center will now be clogged up with cars in a drive thru dumping on the blvd and Rossmoor Center Way from the north.
met00 February 12, 2013 at 10:40 PM
Yet more traffic for a street that is already overloaded. More traffic for Rossmoor. More traffic for Los Al. More sales tax revenue for Seal Beach. And people wonder why Rossmoor and Los Al don't like Seal Beach. Come on Long Beach. Build something at PCH and Westminster already and give Seal Beach a taste of their own medicine. Karma baby, karma.
mary ellen fox February 13, 2013 at 12:37 AM
. The development would adversely affect highway safety and the convenience of road users. There is an inadequacy of the lanes on Rossmoor Center Way to accommodate even small increases in traffic, and road widening would destroy the little character that is left. It presently has an F rating and handles over a thousand cars a day . The impression I got at the planing commitee meeting is the report wasn’t made available them and they didn’t know it existed. Isn’t it the senior planners responsibility to check all pertinent data. The only option to go north exiting from Chick-fil-A is: 1.thru the gas station to Bradbary (which is illegal)but as was stated at the meeting you expect people will do that. 2. Go left on a busy street with no traffic light and as Mr. Goldberg said wait to see if there is a body count before you decide what to do. 3. Drive thru to the only other stoplight at Rossmoor Center Way going left at the stop sign and finally left at the light. At SB Blvd. That’s the way I would go if going north. Chick-fil-A left out the only logical egress saying it was not within the scope . according to SB traffic study guidelines needed to include the light at SB Blvd. and Rossmoor Center Way. Chick- fil-A will not only adversely affect highway safety ,it will have an adverse effect on the residential amenity of neighbors, by reason of (among other factors) noise, disturbance, more pollution, unacceptably high density / overdevelopment of the site
enea ostrich February 16, 2013 at 04:25 PM
The traffic is bad for everyone, not just two communities--it affects all three--Seal Beach, Rossmoor and Los Alamitos when it comes to traffic. I don't see any better traffic anywhere, especially with all the construction of the Seal Beach Bridge. THAT contributes to more traffic in this area than any other thing alone.
tiny February 16, 2013 at 05:10 PM
Traffic, traffic bo-baffic, banana fana fo-faffic, mi my mo-faffic ......... ........ ........ traffic. I blame the Chicago School, Austrian School and consoooooooooooooomerism school. Cars cars bo-bars, banana fana fo-fars, mi my mo-mars ........ ......... ......... cars.
met00 February 16, 2013 at 05:24 PM
Most people wouldn't care about the additional traffic IF there were revenues coming with that traffic. This is called taking the bad with the good. But, when that doesn't happen, the people affected by the bad get a bit pissed. In this case all the revenue from both shopping center goes to Seal Beach. NONE of the income that is generated by the traffic goes to the two communities most affected by the additional traffic. There is no mitigation. Thus Rossmoor and Los Al get all the "bad" and none of the "good". Seal beach get a little bit of the bad, and ALL the good. The construction will end. The unfairness of placing all the additional traffic in Los Al and Rossmoor and NOT giving them any of the tax revenue will continue for years to come. It may explain why so many people from Rossmoor and Los Al were rooting for the PCH and Second Street project. It would have been some nice karma for the city that loved to screw it's neighbors.
tiny February 16, 2013 at 05:41 PM
Good point. Wonder how this arrangement was established in the first place?
met00 February 16, 2013 at 08:24 PM
Tiny. this is why "local politics" matters. The same yahoo's that cut the rotten traffic mitigation agreement with Cypress were the idiots that did nothing to protect the southern border of Los Alamitos. Primary among those that hosed the city was Chuckie Sylvia. This is the same Chuckie Sylvia who did all of Toy Edgar's and George Briiggeman's dirty work in two of the last three elections to ensure that Briggeman's employer (and Troy's first campaign most major donor) got the trash contract that screwed commercial with twice the cost for collection that the lowest responsible bidder charged. His partners in the hosing of Los Alamitos include historically Ron Bates and Marilyn Poe. In the recent past, Ken Stephens and Dean Grose. And currently Troy Edgar and possibly Dean Grose (although most of Grose's supporters seem to have walked away from him after his mildly racist comments). As for the Rossmoor side. That happened long before I moved to the area so I don't know all the details. I believe the developer did to Rossmoor what the Los Al Race Track developer did to Los Al, selected the city they wanted to be part of based on favorable tax deals (this all happened very early in the different cities formations). Like the "natural break" for the border is Coyote Creek on the east, the natural city break is the 405 on the south. In fact, the newly formed Los Alamitos Business Co-op uses that as their natural southern border.
tiny February 16, 2013 at 08:48 PM
You know your local Los Al politics. On Rossmoor, I was born and raised there (59'), but don't know much on local politics. I just remembered I bought a book, "A Brief History of Los Alamitos & Rossmoor" by Larry Strawther a few months back. It says in 1960 Rossmoor surpassed the combined population of Seal Beach, Los Alamitos and Cypress combined. I also says during its first 5 years of existence, 1958-63, it Rossmoor tried to incorporate three time but failed each time. Also "It was too big for Los Alamitos to absorb in a hostile takeover. But it wasn't big enough--or organized enough--to stop a determined property owner, an ambitious city and an unconcerned county to prevent Seal Beach from acquining its main areas of retail revenue. But that story is for another time". So maybe Larry Strawther, who wrote the book and lives in Rossmoor, knows the answer. I only went to his book signing at Marie Calenders and bouth a couple books. Maybe the RPMT when they stop hunting wolves, they could hatch plans to take over Seal Beach.
tiny February 16, 2013 at 08:50 PM
Wow, sorry for so many errors.
met00 February 16, 2013 at 10:06 PM
Larry's book is excellent. It doesn't go into a great deal of the politics that happened. And we still have questionable history by mouth that continued. For instance, part of the history by word of mouth is that the Los Al Race Track was offered to the City Fathers, but that they didn't want it because they didn't want to have anything to do with gambling. I must have heard that "story" about the history of the area ten times. But further research shows that the history by word-of-mouth sounds truthy, but it isn't 100% accurate. Larry spent a great deal of time and effort doing his research and I have found his book well detailed. In addition, believe it or not, Farmers and Merchants Bank has a great deal about the accurate history of the local area in it's archives. Like I said, there are some natural borders that make up the communities. Seal Beach focuses on the community from the hill to the ocean. Leisure World is a separate community unto themselves. The area North of the 405 and East of Coyote Creek has more in common with Rossmoor and Los Al. The area west of Rossmoor and along 7th street has more in common with Long Beach. If I were redrawing the city maps today to reflect the "communities" I would take the north-east portion of SB, Rossmoor and Los Al and make that a single community. It wouldn't be a "super city", but it would be a very nice and common one.
met00 February 16, 2013 at 10:12 PM
It should be noted that there is NO WAY Seal Beach would give up the north end. They get much more revenue than they have costs from the centers. One only has to remember that Seal Beach tends to think of itself as a "beach city" (much like Huntington Beach) their focus is all on what is south of the hill. They make the revenue in the north, but it all gets spent in the south. If the Los Al borders matched the area that the Los Al Business Co-op is using the city would be very well financed and the income base would stay in the community where the costs are. The result would be a much nicer local community where traffic would be better managed since the income would be able to be spent mitigating the traffic issues. Like I have said before. I am so looking forward to the development of PCH and second/westminster as it should put a massive traffic mess in Seal Beaches back yard where they will know what it feels like to have all the pain and none of the benefits. Karma can be a witch.
Francis April 24, 2013 at 08:31 PM
I've lived in Rossmoor for almost 30 years. It is obvious that the politicos of both Los Al and Seal Beach care nothing about road-trapped Rossmoor other than to get our $$. Can't wait for the holiday season when when traffic on Los Al/Seal Beach becomes the ultimate 'carmageddon' with every intersection experiencing grid-lock! How about a 2 day boycott of all Los Al and Seal beach businesses to help impress upon them that we do exist and they should care about how their decisions affect our living conditions!
CDC November 18, 2013 at 05:52 PM
I try anything once. However, I won't be coming back to this place any time soon. This place is a total ripoff! It cost 40.00 bucks for a meal for three here. They must think all people around here are millionaires? I found a 2013 menu for one of their Florida stores and the prices are a third less. The owner is a total crook! Here are the issues I had: 1. Burgers are very tiny and the filet only covered half the bun 2. This meat has zero flavor and bun tastes like cardboard. 3. The fruit cups are a scam. One or two strawberries and oranges, and berries are placed on top and the rest is 90% apple. What crooks! Apples are cheap fruit that nobody wants. 4. Bags are thin as TP. One of our bags bottoms gave out and we lost the cole slaw. It would be nice if the cheap owner got real bags that hold stuff. 5. Closed on Sundays when everyone wants to eat out. 6. The parking in this shopping center is now horrid. No place to park anywhere east of Sprouts after they opened this place. You now have to park on the Bradbury or Davenport in Rossmoor. This place is totally worthless. Anything else built here would be better! I will still eat at Paul's for good takeout. I hope people wake up to the fact that Chik-fil-A is out to rip them off just because they live in California. You are better off going to the nearby In-N-Out or Chipotle. Think of how much food you can buy for 40 bucks!

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